Dear Michal,
There might be a misunderstanding. I do not want to have an added process, I want to implement a more realistic process.
The CA you cited is the problem not the solution. Researcher are normally not able to send out a new research paper 30 days before paper deadline, we all know that papers are finished very close to the deadline. In addition, as I said before, no one will send out unpublished ideas without being sure that information is not leaked.
Hence, I ask for an implementation, that does not require the huge overhead of the process you cited. May be we can implement a delegation of responsibilities of the task force to the local PIs or something like that.
Best regards
Claudia
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Von: mchoras@itti.com.pl <mchoras@itti.com.pl>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. April 2019 11:23
An: Miguel Correia <miguel.p.correia@tecnico.ulisboa.pt>
Cc: Algimantas Venckauskas <algimantas.venckauskas@ktu.lt>; Eckert, Claudia <Claudia.Eckert@aisec.fraunhofer.de>; bodies.dissemination-committee@internal.sparta.eu; spartacomms@inov.pt
Betreff: Re: [SPARTA - bodies.dissemination-committee] SPARTA Dissemination procedure (IPR) - Fast track
Dear All,
We already have good rules for dissemination in CA (signed by all partners).
I also do not think more than CA is necessary.
In fact, partners should be aware of CA and should not send papers without following this procedure:
"Prior notice of any planned publication, including complete draft of the publication, shall be submitted to the Dissemination Taskforce at least 30 calendar days before the submission. Any objection to the planned publication shall be made in accordance with the Grant Agreement in writing to the Coordinator and to the Party or Parties proposing the dissemination within 14 calendar days after receipt of the notice. If no objection is made within the time limit stated above, the publication shall be deemed permitted."
Kindest Regards,
prof. Michal Choras
> I agree!
>
> Best regards,
> Miguel Correia
>
>> On 25 Apr 2019, at 08:40, Algimantas Venckauskas
>> <algimantas.venckauskas@ktu.lt> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We agree with Claudia that dissemination process is very
>> complicated, long and poses risks that should be avoided.
>>
>> We also think that dissemination process can be decentralized: each
>> partner institution is responsible for publishing SPARTA papers only
>> in compliance to the publication rules of SPARTA.
>> No overall dissemination procedure is needed at all.
>>
>> Algimantas Venčkauskas
>>
>>
>> From: bodies.dissemination-committee
>> <bodies.dissemination-committee-bounces@server.sparta.eu> On Behalf
>> Of Eckert, Claudia
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:17 AM
>> To: evaldas@l3ce.eu; Nelson Escravana <nelson.escravana@inov.pt>
>> Cc: bodies.dissemination-committee@internal.sparta.eu;
>> spartacomms@inov.pt
>> Subject: Re: [SPARTA - bodies.dissemination-committee] SPARTA
>> Dissemination procedure (IPR) - Fast track
>>
>> Dear all,
>> may I ask for an even more lightweight process.
>> Though a fast track is a considerable improvement I still think, that
>> the whole process is still very complicated and poses risks that
>> should be avoided. The dissemination process generates considerable
>> additional efforts, lacks transparency (e.g. I do not know who is
>> member of the mailing list), and even worse the risk of
>> unintentional information leakages (new ideas in unpublished papers
>> are send around without
>> control) is very high.
>>
>> Can?t we manage the thing in an efficient and complete decentralized
>> way: each partner institution is responsible for publishing SPARTA
>> papers only in compliance to the publication rules of SPARTA. No
>> overall dissemination procedure is needed at all.
>> Best regards
>> Claudia Eckert
>>
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>> Prof. Dr. Claudia Eckert
>> Fraunhofer-Institut für Angewandte und Integrierte Sicherheit (AISEC)
>> Institutsleitung Parkring 4, 85748 Garching bei München Tel. +49 89 3
>> 22
>> 99 86-285 Fax +49 89 3 22 99 86-299
>> e-mail: claudia.eckert@aisec.fraunhofer.de
>> <mailto:claudia.eckert@aisec.fraunhofer.de>
>> http://www.aisec.fraunhofer.de <http://www.aisec.fraunhofer.de/>
>>
>> Technische Universität München
>> Lehrstuhl für Sicherheit in der Informatik Fakultät für Informatik
>> Boltzmannstr. 3
>> Tel.: +49 (0)89 289 18578
>> Fax: +49 (0)89 289 18579
>> 85748 Garching, Germany
>> http://www.sec.in.tum.de <http://www.sec.in.tum.de/>
>>
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>>
>> Von: bodies.dissemination-committee
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>> <mailto:bodies.dissemination-committee-bounces@server.sparta.eu>> Im
>> Auftrag von evaldas@l3ce.eu <mailto:evaldas@l3ce.eu>
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2019 08:51
>> An: Nelson Escravana <nelson.escravana@inov.pt
>> <mailto:nelson.escravana@inov.pt>>
>> Cc: bodies.dissemination-committee@internal.sparta.eu
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>> Betreff: Re: [SPARTA - bodies.dissemination-committee] SPARTA
>> Dissemination procedure (IPR) - Fast track
>>
>> Dear Nelson,
>>
>>
>>
>> We (L3CE) believe, that Fast Track procedure is of high demand. We
>> are working in highly complex project involving lots of
>> inter-dependencies and to expect to have a reasonable draft 1.5 month
>> in advance will be very high pressure in most of the cases.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
>> T-Shark Programme Manager
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2019-04-23 21:39, Nelson Escravana raš?:
>>
>> Dear members of the Dissemination Committee (aka Dissemination Task
>> Force),
>>
>> I'm bringing to your attention a proposal to initiate an amendment to
>> the consortium agreement (CA).
>>
>> Accordingly to the Grant Agreement 29.1:
>>
>> A beneficiary that intends to disseminate its results must give
>> advance notice to the other beneficiaries of ? unless agreed
>> otherwise ? at least 45 days, together with sufficient information on
>> the results it will disseminate.
>>
>> Accordingly to the CA 8.4.2:
>>
>> Prior notice of any planned publication, including complete draft of
>> the publication, shall be submitted to the Dissemination Taskforce at
>> least
>> 30 calendar days before the submission. Any objection to the planned
>> publication shall be made in accordance with the Grant Agreement in
>> writing to the Coordinator and to the Party or Parties proposing the
>> dissemination within 14 calendar days after receipt of the notice. If
>> no objection is made within the time limit stated above, the
>> publication shall be deemed permitted.
>>
>> Within this scope the Dissemination Committee should include a
>> representative from every partner.
>>
>> It has been raised by several partners that this timings are
>> incompatible with the normal processes associated with scientific
>> publications. For that matter a fast track process has been proposed
>> by CEA and discussed in the last WP12 call. Given that we will all
>> need to agree on the process, so we can proposed it to the GA. I'm
>> requesting your feedback on this.
>>
>> Following up on some discussion with CEA on the subject (their
>> proposal
>> attached) the main ideas are:
>>
>> - authors send to the dissemination committee in current draft state
>> 30 days before submission deadline with statement: additional IP /
>> security sensitive material expected to be added (Full Track) or not
>> expect to be added (Fast Track);
>>
>> - if sensitive material in the draft, dissemination committee may
>> object within 14 days (as currently in the CA);
>>
>> - if sensitive material is expected to be added (or already in the
>> draft), paper needs to be in re-submitted the final version 10 days
>> before for a complementary round by Dissemination committee. The
>> dissemination committee, may reject the document within 8 days (I
>> would say, only if new material was added).
>>
>> - if no sensitive material is expected to be added (Fast Track),
>> submitted paper is sent after submission to Dissemination committee.
>> The dissemination committee, may reject the document within 14 days,
>> and the author will be required to withdraw the paper (retract).
>>
>> Please provide your comments and ideas on this by the end of next
>> week (if you agree, please also let me know). So we can compile a
>> version which we all agree.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Nelson
>>
>>
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